Some Say They're Losing Job Offers Because of Bureaucracy

Tharindu Paranathanthri felt optimistic about moving to Ireland with his partner, in part, because of what he read online.

Government websites made it seem as if it would be straightforward for him to work, while she did her PhD. But that hasn’t been the case, he says.

He has a Stamp 3, which means he can look for work and then apply for a permit once he has a job offer. Which he did.

It was taking too long for the Department of Business to issue it though, he says. So his prospective employer pulled out.

They apologised, but said they had to give the job to somebody else. “I very much understand the employer,” he says. “They were very fair.”

Paranathanthri isn’t alone. Only a small percentage of those who accompany their partners from outside the European Union here to Ireland manage to secure work permits, government figures show.

In 2017, the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service (INIS) issued 8,423 Stamp 3s. That same year, 788 Stamp 3 holders applied for work permits, and the Department of Business issued 590 permits. That’s 7 percent.

“That is very discouraging,” says Paranathanthri, who has a master’s degree in finance from a university in Sri Lanka and is trained as a chartered accountant.

Struggling to Work

Figures for earlier years show similar gaps between the stamps issued, and the work permits that people then go on to get – although there has been a slight increase in the figures.

It’s also important to note that those who get work permits each year might have gotten their Stamp 3s in earlier years, so the figures don’t necessarily relate to exactly the same people.

In 2015, INIS issued 6,630 Stamp 3s. Meanwhile, 399 people applied for work permits and 276 were issued. That’s 4.2 percent.

In 2016, INIS issued 7,204 Stamp 3s. And 538 people applied for work permits, and 363 got them. That’s 5 percent.

A spokesperson for the Department of Business said there are several reasons for the gap between the number of applications for work permits and the number issued.

They might “have been refused, cancelled, withdrawn, awaiting further information or are being processed”, he said.

There might also be some duplication as people sometimes resubmit for permits, after being refused. 

Refusals can be because the applicants don’t include the right documents, or because employers haven’t done a “labour market needs test”, which involves advertising the job vacancy in Ireland and the European Union first, he said.

Too Long

Paranathanthri isn’t alone in having a lost a job offer because of the permit process.

Bronwen Raymer said she was recently offered a job with a branch in a network of dental clinics.

She has background in healthcare administration, and used to manage a primary-care clinic in Seattle, where she and her partner lived before.

She thought it wouldn’t take too long to her permit, as it had been swift for her husband, who works for a US multinational and is on a critical-skills permit.

But when she submitted the application based off her Stamp 3 status, and got in a queue, she quickly realised that it was going to take longer than she had thought.

She put it in on 23 April. “It still hasn’t been processed,” she said.

In the meantime, after a couple of months had passed, her almost-employer said that they needed to fill the position. So, they couldn’t wait longer.

“I understand that,” says Raymer. “She has a business to run as well.” But she cried, ate ice cream, and tried to work out what to do next.

The Department of Business’s Employment Permits Section says applications for employment permits “must be received at least 12 weeks before the proposed employment start date”, a department spokesperson said.

Paranathanthri says it takes too long at the moment for the department to process applications. “I believe this is the main problem, the main bottleneck that affects Stamp 3 people,” he said.

There is a scheme for “trusted partners”, though: big-time employers who are able to get their permits processed faster, he says. But even they face a substantial wait.

“The Employment Permits Section of the Department [of Business] is currently processing Trusted Partner applications received on 24th May 2018 and Standard applications received on 3rd April 2018,” the department spokesperson said.

Maybe issuing a temporary permit, or a letter so people can work while their permit application is being processed might help, suggests Paranathanthri. “That was proposed by people.”

Some have said that. because of the difficulties they faced with the work-permit system, their move to Ireland has made them dependent on the spouses for everything, from buying milk to covering the rent.

Raymer says that, like many, her identity was tied up with her career.

Now, she is trying to make the most of it, trying to work out how to become part of the city around her, to integrate, without being able to work.

She and her partner are now a one-income household, and they can pay the bills, “but we can’t save money as we did before, it’s not feasible to build for the future”, she said.

She’s now trying to fill her time. Looking at volunteering. “I’m grasping at straws. Doing a lot of housekeeping. I’ve been cooking a lot. […] We’ve thought about having a baby.”

Lobbying for Change

Right now, Ireland is ranked as a “second category” country by the Permits Foundation, a Netherlands-based group that lobbies for more open permits so that partners of international staff may work abroad, too.

Other countries in the European Union are signed up to the EU Blue Card, which is a Europe-wide work permit that lets professionals from outside the EU live and work anywhere in the EU.

Spouses automatically get a work permit too, says Michiel van Campen, the executive director of the foundation. “That’s the ideal situation,” he says. “That’s what we are striking for in other countries as well.”

The foundation made submissions to the Irish government’s recent consultation on policies around economic migration, he says. The Department of Business is currently conducting “a review of economic migration policies underpinning the current employment permits system and a report is expected within the coming weeks”, the department spokesperson said.

Often, people make counter arguments about the effects on local labour markets, says van Campen. But the number of spouses looking to work aren’t that large, he says. “That’s such a small number.”

Companies also still have to want to hire the person, and see them as right for a post. “It’s still up to the employer to decide,” he says.

Van Campen used to work for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Netherlands, and traveled the world with his family and wife.

The first question his wife, with a background in children’s physiotherapy, would ask was whether she would be able to work somewhere.

“It really is for a lot of spouses crucial,” he says.

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Lois Kapila and Sam Tranum: Lois Kapila is Dublin Inquirer's managing editor and general-assignment reporter, and Sam Tranum is its deputy editor. You can reach them at info@dubinq.com.

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Alexey
at 4 July 2018 at 12:09

Thank you for this article! My wife is on stamp 3 and she can’t work at all, because there are no employers who can provide her with a full-time contract for her profession (she is a professional dancer/teacher), she only gets contractor suggestions. And a full-time contract is a prerequisite for work permit application. It really makes it impossible to get a job.

Shilpi
at 4 July 2018 at 12:55

Thank you so much for the article.So many people have to go through the agonising journey of work permit and nothing has been done.I really want to know can we do an online petition against the delay?
They have upgraded the system now and everything is online but still there is 3months delay.
I am on dependent spouse permit and whenever I cahange my job I have to re apply because of that I have to refuse so many job offers.We should do something about it.

Deb H-B
at 4 July 2018 at 15:07

18 months in and nothing! Is there a list of these “trusted partners” somewhere? Beyond frustrating and disheartening. Employers of Critical Skills visa holders should be more upfront about the challenges spouses will face finding employment. 4%-5% employment rate? We would NOT have bet on those odds.

Laura
at 5 July 2018 at 10:23

In general, the entire bureaucracy involved in moving to Ireland and setting up here, regardless of the circumstance, is exhausting.

My Canadian girlfriend came here on a working holiday visa, so had a Working Holiday Authorisation which means you don’t need to apply for a visa/work permit. To get herself set up in Ireland she needed a PPS number so she could open a bank account, get a phone, rent an apartment. To get a PPS she had to first get a job offer, she then had to show her job offer to the guards who act as the immigration officer in our area. They were pretty condescending about it and sneered a bit, but accepted it anyway and she applied for her PPS. It took well over two weeks to arrive. In the meantime she had started her job but was waiting on her PPS to open a bank account so that she could get paid. Even when she did get her PPS the bank wouldn’t accept the government issued letter informing her of her PPS number as a proof of address!

Meanwhile when I went to Canada on the same visa (two years before my Canadian gf came back to Ireland with me) , my friend handed me a piece of paper two days after I arrived in the country, with the address of the government office in downtown Vancouver who issued the Canadian equivalent of a PPS – a SIN. I headed down with my passport and working holiday visa (hadn’t even looked at job ads yet), waited half and hour in an office waiting area, was called to a desk, had my documents verified against the records on their database, and had a letter printed in front of me addressed to my temporary address (I was sleeping on my friends couch), was told I’d receive the official card in 5 working days and off I went. Next stop was a bank branch nearby where I opened my bank account no problem with the letter I had just been handed and my passport. All done in the space of two hours.

It’s ridiculous how difficult we seem to make every process in Ireland. Really feel for the people in this situation. Me and my girlfriend were lucky, everything eventually was sorted but it was stressful and frustrating all the same (and that was before we started looking for somewhere to live). Can’t imagine how frustrated these people feel. We like to think of ourselves as the place of 1000 welcomes but we’re really not when we put people through this kind of bs.

Edd
at 9 July 2018 at 11:16

Join our Current / former Stamp 3 in Ireland Facebook group

([https://www.facebook.com/groups/1…)

Harini
at 16 July 2018 at 12:01

Thanks for this article. Its been almost a year for me in dublin and am struggling to get a job inspite of having work experience and relevant educational qualifications. Most of the companies take a step back when I mention my visa status. Hopefully government looks into this issue and come up with some solution atleast

Anonymous commenter
at 8 October 2018 at 11:06

Living in Dublin and surrounding in these days is a absolute nightmare for families. Because, extremely high rent and cost of living is making life is difficult for those who come from different countries. At this point, in order to run a family life with one persons income perhaps is hard to imagine. Truely, 1000s of families are living in Dublin like never before by compromising their profession, dignity and respect. Moreover, they are struggling to meet the ends and fighting for daily bread.

If government lift these restrictions would not only benefit these families but also contribute to the economy, service sector and Ireland can take the benefits of skilled professionals.

Change for good is good for the country and for many families who seeks betterment in life.

Alex
at 11 October 2018 at 12:10

Fist of all, thank you for the article.

I've been in Ireland on Stamp 3 for over a year now. I thought it would be no problem for me to find a job and start it with two international graduate degrees and over eleven years of work experience. But no. Everyone coming with a partner to Ireland should seriously consider all bureaucratic obstacles that the partner will face here.

Not every employer is happy to hear about Stamp 3 and the required application process. About 20-30 percent of employers filter out Stamp 3 holders when they learn about the status. I was lucky (and a bit hard working?) to secure a position with Irish government-owned company and apply for an employment permit in the middle of April, 2018. The process took 3.5 months and my permit was issued in the beginning of August. However, it contained a mistake. The duration was only until Primary Permit Holder GNIB (IRP) expiration date. However, it was supposed to be until the Primary Permit Holder Employment permit expiration date. In my case, it was issued just for 1.5 months instead of 14 months I was eligible for. I tried to resolve this issue with the Department of Business referring to rules of permit duration published on their website. However, there were no formal case resolution allowing me start working and securing continues eligibility to be employed on my full time position. In other words, I lost my offer and wasted months on job search and permit processing time.

The employee of the department of business tried to help me, but non of the suggestions was formal and satisfied my employer. I feel like, there are some issues with management of the department of business and its employment section. There are no in-person appointments, all phone calls requests end with "write an email to the employment permit section," and email replies usually contain links to their website and missing answers. Another reason I may think about, that Irish Government is not really welcoming working partners of Critical Skill Employment Permit Holders. Even it looks different on paper.

For all Stamp 3 holders I recommend trying to secure an offer eligible for a separate Critical Skill Employment permit. It will solve all of the issues I run into. In fact, I received the same advice from one of the representatives of the Department of Business during one of my calls there.

Good luck!

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